Ratheesh KrishnaVadhyar ([info]ratheesh) wrote,
@ 2007-12-23 22:34:00
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Games Indians Play

When I was in the US, a couple of times I happened to visit the Santa Clara County Library at Milpitas with my colleague. I was surprised to see the amazing collection of films and books they have there - Films ranging from Renoir's The River to Satyajit Ray's Ghare Bhaire, numerous classics from France, Germany, Korea, Iran, Japan and several other countries, and even recent Tamil commercial films - all of which people can take for viewing free of cost. We can pick up any number of books or CDs and I guess except for special cases, we can keep them with us until we finish reading/watching them (for unlimited period, that is). I am not very clear how this facility is provided free of cost, but if it is from the taxpayer's money, I would say that that is the best way of "giving back".

All the books and DVDs are arranged neatly and systematically in the library. What would have been the case if there was such a library in India? The place would have looked like a "fish market" and within a few hours after its opening, people would have grabbed everything from there. Tearing pages from books or even not returning books and DVDs would be commonplace in India. Indians feel thrilled when they hear the word "FREE"; Apparently, my colleague told me that majority of visitors to the library are NRIs. Indeed, I could see mostly Indians there, collecting as many CDs as they could hold in their hands, as if they are going to participate in some movie-watching competition. I am sure that Indians leaving Santa Clara for good may be looking forward to collect many books and CDs from the library as souvenirs.

Cut to Frankfurt airport during my return trip - After a pleasant flight from San Francisco to Frankfurt, I was following the direction-indicators to reach the counter for my connecting flight to Bangalore. There were 2 more hours to go for the boarding to start so I was walking at a slow pace when I saw that interesting phenomena - A long queue had been formed in front of two gates - The gates for flights to Bangalore and Hyderabad, of course. The queues flowed like snakes, causing inconvenience to all others. Indians standing ahead in the queue were staring at others coming to join behind with some sort of satisfaction brimming in their eyes.

Now, what is the reason for this queue formation when the boarding time was a good 2 hours away? Is it for entering the waiting hall in advance to grab those few chairs kept there? Or is it just because of the Indian addiction for waiting in queues and breaking them? I am not sure. Anyways, as a true Indian, I too joined the queue. Shortly, a young Indian (a software engineer, what else he could be?) came to me and asked: "Isn’t the boarding at 12:20? Why are you all standing in the queue already?". I felt a bit ashamed of myself, so just smiled sheepishly. He too joined the queue shortly, anyways.

While standing in the queue, I could hear a conversation from behind. I could gather that a US citizen was traveling to Bangalore as he intended to work there for an year, and he was having a chat with two Indian software engineers standing behind me in the queue. "I have heard Bangalore is a nice city. Beautiful with lots of gardens and all!", He said. I felt pity on him. The Indian engineers broke his hopes and informed him that Bangalore is a dirty city like most of the Indian cities. The Indian guy who was standing behind me then started discussing with the US guy about the great climate conditions and beauty of Austin, Texas, trying to speak in American accent. "How many years you have been living in Austin?" The US guy asked. "Er.. just a week! I went to visit my company headquarters there!", replied the Indian engineer. (A digression - Few weeks back, the CEO of my company announced a joint venture with an Indian company. The announcement was made when the CEO of the Indian company too was present on the stage. Soon after the announcement, the Indian CEO was asked to say a few words, and then we could see an amazing demonstration of what we call in Malayalam as "sayippine kanumbol kavathu marakkuka" - The Indian CEO literally stooped down in front of the American CEO, reminding of that infamous photograph of the 1990s which showed PV Narasimha Rao standing in front of Soniya Gandhi respectfully as if he was in front of God, and said something like this with a visible display of reverence: "We are honored and blessed that you thought about us for this joint venture, and I just hope that we would be able to meet your expectations...". We Indians either show "kavathu marakkal" (read as slave mentality) in front of foreigners, or try to create the impression that we are a step above other "insignificant" Indians).

After some time, the gate counter opened, and we were allowed to get inside and sit in the waiting hall. Another half an hour, and they announced boarding. They initially asked for people sitting in the back-rows to board, but all Indians promptly started rushing in. My seat was on row 52, but when I entered the aircraft I found that all Indians had already occupied their seats irrespective of their rows, and filled all luggage compartments with huge bags. There was no space in my overhead compartment to keep my bag, so I took help from an airhostess to keep that at some other location.

Few minutes after take-off, Indians started getting up from their seats at various locations, and long queues started building up in front of all toilets.

After 8+ hours, the plane landed at Bangalore airport. All Indians started displaying restlessness immediately, and the moment the seat-belt sign went off, they started getting up and rushing here and there to download their baggage from overhead compartments. There was a major chaos everywhere. It took another fifteen minutes for the doors of the aircraft to open, and the Indians meanwhile formed queues and started playing tricks to overtake others, etc. If they could sit in the aircraft for eight hours, can't they sit for a few more minutes to get down from it in an orderly manner? If they are to alight from a private bus running in Kerala, then probably this rush is understandable, because the Kerala bus drivers are interested in reducing India's population by accelerating the bus while the last few alighting passengers are just about to cut contact with the vehicle, and so it is critical not to be the last passenger to get down from a Kerala private bus. But for an aircraft, we need not fear such a thing. Then why are they rushing? Is it for ensuring a top position in the queue in front of the pre-paid taxi counter? Probably.

Every visit to another country makes me feel more and more ashamed of our stinking, hopeless country. Why is our society like this? Why do Indians behave in this way? Irrespective of class, occupation, region or anything, aren’t all Indians fundamentally having the same filthiness in character? This week I read the excellent book Games Indians Play written by former IIM professor V Raghunathan, and the book starts with precisely this kind of questions and illustrating similar scenarios. The author lists 12 distinctive characteristics of Indianness: Low trustworthiness, Being privately smart and publicly dumb, Fatalistic outlook, Being too intelligent for our own good, Abysmal sense of public hygiene, Lack of self-regulation and sense of fairness, Reluctance to penalize wrong conduct in others, Mistaking talk for action, Deep-rooted corruption and a flair for free-riding, Inability to follow or implement systems, A sense of self-worth that is massaged only if we have the 'authority' to break rules and Propensity to look for loop-holes in laws. In subsequent chapters, he goes on analyzing more on these traits, giving several examples, narrated in humorous and immensely readable way. He uses game theory, behavioral economics and even quotes from Bhagavad Gita for his analysis and study. And yes, the solutions are well-known to Indians from the time of Gita itself, though never practiced in our society.

It was a pleasurable experience reading this book, as I myself have pondered on many of these "why"s many a time, and have gone through many of the experiences that the author has illustrated. This is a book that is a must-read for every Indian.


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[info]puremeteor
2007-12-24 10:38 am UTC (link)
Hi Ratheesh,
Your comments are spot on!! But we NRIs are always torn between India and wherever we live and always end up comparing the best of India versus the worst of the western world!

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[info]ratheesh
2007-12-24 01:00 pm UTC (link)
That's indeed true. Even after all these disgusting day-to-day experiences in the Indian Society, Personally I can't stay away from India for long time and start feeling incredibly homesick after few weeks.

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(Anonymous)
2007-12-24 11:18 am UTC (link)
Ratheesh,

Like times of old,I smiled and guffawed generously,as I read this post.The allusion to cutting contact with Kerala buses was hilarious.

Write more.Thanks for the reco on Prof Raghunathan s book.

B.

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been there
(Anonymous)
2007-12-24 07:49 pm UTC (link)
I was in California in 1998-2002, witnessed how sillicon valley turned to Indian valley, telagu/tamil valley to be more precise, on a same line to FREE DVDs, there use to be barber shop on El-Camino in Sunnyvalle, he is to offer free service to his customer, one day a florist visited him to get a free hair cut, as a gratitude he send bunch of flowers to him next day, a pizza resturant owner visited him once and he sent him pizza next day, one day our desi guy stopped by him after the hair cut he just could'nt belive he just saved $10.00 (Rs 450), he just thanked his lucky start, next day before the shop was opened there were 100 desis in queue waiting for free hair cut

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Re: been there
[info]ratheesh
2007-12-25 02:13 am UTC (link)
Good One :)

The "Money back within 30 days if not satisfied" offer given by many shops also is something Indians find too attractive to resist.

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Re: been there
(Anonymous)
2007-12-26 09:48 am UTC (link)
How is it that you are so gullible to believe this nonsense joke on desis and recirculate it for consumption with accurate numbers (such as 100 desis etc) to give it a touch of reality ? Perhaps the story is good because out of the 100 desis, 80 of them were Telagu/Tamil guys (you seem to have some statistics on the origins and demography of the desis, which would probably help us !!) Surely whoever gave them employment were not suckers who were conned by the Tamil/Telugu software types on a daily basis!! You can cheat the employers for 4 years but not forever!! It is pretty hard to make your employer believe that you are developing some cutting edge embedded software, or internet app, while you are actually edging your way at the end of 100 strong free haircutting expedition.

An average haircut takes 20 minutes, and no body, would join a 100 strong queue. Give the desis a break yaar!!! Let us foster some self respect amongst ourselves and our children

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(Anonymous)
2007-12-25 12:49 pm UTC (link)
Out of need for economic safety, we choose professions nowadays. I have been thru Frankfurt a number of times and the airport is no sacred place. Even in 2000, it was no different from the Kalasipalayam bus stand of yore, with not too many Indians (Lufthansa was just understanding what kind of business it can generate transporting greedy Indians. Hence your desire to exhibit great civic sense at this place is perhaps misplaced. No white man has done this in India since 1865!). I have seen enough people sleeping on the ground, benches, etc., many of them white skinned, and white skinned Indians, in Frankfurt. Be a bit kind on desis, Malayalis, Tamilians, Konkanis, and Telugu people. I have seen Germans ( the authentic variety, peeing in front of Munich station!!)

One way to avoid hassels is to decide your own level of economic need and withdraw ( may be to teach at Irinjallakuda) rather than, enjoy the benefits (!) & crib.

Everybody wants to tell their relatives, 'my son is on travel!!, and my son is on conference call!!'

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Mostly True but cannot Generalise
(Anonymous)
2007-12-26 02:27 pm UTC (link)
It might be true that there are good law-abiding citizens everywhere and it might also be true that some people break laws wherever they are and whatever country they belong to!(Example: Germans peeing in front of Munich Station and Singaporeans chewing and spitting gums which is strictly banned there, but I have seen them do it)

But I am quite certain that if you count nationalities who actually break or find a way to avoid laws, Asians and especially our own countrymen will top the list.

And Ratheesh might actually be correct in his write-up and thoughts about Indians. However there are exceptions(Read good citizens) everywhere, who do their bit to obey laws and keep their country clean. However sadly its a fact that such people are becoming a big minority in Indian society these days

Regards
Suraj

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Re: Mostly True but cannot Generalise
[info]ratheesh
2007-12-26 03:01 pm UTC (link)
That's indeed true, exceptions are there everywhere. As you said, we may be able to see people throwing their food waste from their vehicles to the road-side in USA, or people spitting on the footpath at Singapore (Apparently, I have seen that at a place called as Little India, may be maintaining the legacy of our nation). But that is an exception. At the same time, you may be able to see people NOT spitting on the roads in India, and that too is an exception.

Btw, last time when I traveled to Kerala, I got a co-passenger in train who was from Germany. He was a sailor earlier, and he has been living in India for the last 2 years, practicing Yoga, taking Ayurveda treatment, etc. We chatted for some time, and he talked about the lack of cleanliness in Indian cities, etc. Later, he had his dinner and after that threw the plastic water bottle and food-waste out of the window!

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Re: Mostly True but cannot Generalise
(Anonymous)
2007-12-27 12:31 pm UTC (link)
Come on yaar its just saliva that will get dissolved in earth.. We have far more important problems to solve in this country..

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[info]dearchichi
2007-12-25 06:02 pm UTC (link)
Everybody can show what evil is, but he is the friend of mankind who finds a way out of the difficulty - Swami Vivekananda

Hi Ratheesh,

You have been writing a lot of pieces off late about the sorry state of Bangalore and India. If you have taken some steps on your own to set right a few of those issues, I would like to know what they are and how you did them so we, your readers, too could get inspired do something ourselves.

"the solutions are well-known to Indians from the time of Gita itself, though never practiced in our society."

Have your practiced a few of those solutions yourself? Do let us know.

-Shashi

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[info]ratheesh
2007-12-26 04:09 am UTC (link)
Hi Shashi,

I am a true Indian. So, I just crib and don't do any particular action, what else can you expect ? ;-) I am in my 'comfort zone' (following the management jargon) and am better off keeping myself away from any 'actions' for betterment of society.

However, coming to think more about that, I think even though I don't take any proactive steps to solve the problems, I make some minuscule contributions of mine that may help not to worsen the situation. I have to add that many of these are not conscious steps, but just a side-effect of some of my character traits (or perhaps limitations in my character, rather):

- I have decided not to purchase a car and add more to the pollution in Bangalore,
- I have decided not to encourage auto-rickshaw drivers in Bangalore and wherever possible, I walk or take a KSRTC bus,
- I never try to overtake others standing in a queue,
- In general I think I show above-average civic sense in public places (like not making big noises, not littering, etc.),

and so on.

The solution pointed out from Gita is that "We should follow the (right) actions, and never think too much about what the fruits might be". Perhaps if everybody follow this, many of our problems would get solved automatically.

Regards,
Ratheesh

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(Anonymous)
2007-12-26 05:12 am UTC (link)
U have been writing a lot about usage of plastic bags. What are you doing against plastic bag usage?

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[info]ratheesh
2007-12-26 05:39 am UTC (link)
Well, again, I don't do anything "against" usage of plastic bags. If someone was to organize a rally or something against plastic bag usage, I would be the last one to participate in that. However, personally I reduce the plastic bags that I use, by carrying old bags with me when I go for grocery purchase.

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(Anonymous)
2007-12-26 07:22 am UTC (link)
Excellent write up Ratheesh. I am looking forward to more of ur such posts

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(Anonymous)
2007-12-31 12:10 pm UTC (link)
Hi Ratheesh,

Nice post to read. but that is how India is.
Interesting to see your list of resolutions.. but Ratheesh the resolution no:3( I never try to overtake others standing in a queue.
) for ordinary situations you can adhere to. I am sure you will have to jump the queue if you are going to be here in India ..(assuming atleast once in your life you will have to go to Govt. offices ) :-))
So it is all situations.
We have to live with it.

Binu,Pune

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Doing it the right way ourselves!
[info]gopakumar_ce
2007-12-26 05:15 pm UTC (link)
Raghunathan's book was indeed a good one (regardless of whether he himself practices it or not ;) - and going by the "game of numbers" theory in that book, what we need to do first is to follow things ourselves before "finding a way out of the difficulty" for the masses :-). A very good example is that of a simple man named "muthu" who taught myself, shankar, sunil and vibin never to throw trash in public places. Before that I used to be no less of a "trasher", after that I have not disposed trash even once in a public place - and I believe the same holds good for all the other three people also (grep for muthu in http://gopakumar-ce.livejournal.com/11132.html).

The usual question that we find people asking is "what difference can a single person like me make ? we need some mass-uplifting kind of a movement" - and I used to think like that too before, but Raghunathans book clearly demonstrates by examples how powerful a single individual himself/herself can be!

So, if the entire set of "software engineers" in bangalore (the most highly educated of the bloreans ;) decides to follow certain rules themselves, I think blore certainly will be more beautiful!

From this post, what I will "try" to follow next is not using plastic bags - here in the US even if you buy a candy, they will put it in a plastic bag big enough to carry a baby elephant and give that to you. Let me make efforts to stop using plastic bags from now onwards!

Gopa.

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Re: Doing it the right way ourselves!
[info]ratheesh
2007-12-27 01:33 am UTC (link)
The solution has to come from "within" - that is, through self-regulation, the book mentions. But being realistic, I don't think we will ever have even 10% of our population as "Muthu"s. This is the country of Upanishads; This is the land where Buddha and Mahaveera were born; This is the land where Gandhi lived just a few decades back; And still if our state is like this, then how can we expect majority of Indians to be self-regulated ever in future?

So, I think we are more in need of "regulation" from the Government. We need traffic police who would catch an auto-rickshaw that makes big noise and pollutes the entire area, We need police officers who won't take bribe for registering cases; We need a mechanism for proper disposal of garbage and penalize wrong-doers; We need several other similar things, and we need a complete hierarchy of corruption-free officers supporting the people working in the leaf level like traffic constables or corporation sweepers. Will that ever happen?

India is a great country and we have no dearth of resources. I think with visionary governance and regulation, we would be able to transform our country. But what we see here is people like K Karunakaran aiming to become next chief minister (or Youth Congress president, as seen in a Bobanum Moliyum cartoon).

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Re: Doing it the right way ourselves!
(Anonymous)
2007-12-27 12:33 pm UTC (link)
Arent you contradicting when you are saying that we need to follow Gita to solve the problems and then you are blaming the government for not solving problems for you?

Its funny that you dragging Karunakaran to here.

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Re: Doing it the right way ourselves!
[info]ratheesh
2007-12-27 01:13 pm UTC (link)
Yes, may be I am contradicting. Life is full of contradictions :-) But let me try to defend:

Lack of self-discipline is the key to all our problems. Theoretically speaking, we can solve our problems through self-regulation. But practically thinking, lets say we can only have a max of 10% Indians following self-regulation (now don't ask how I arrived at this 10% number, etc.;-) ). So we need a system to support this 10% and also to regulate the remaining 90%. And since Government=Power, what else but the government can provide this system?

Now, we have this government machinery (In which I include all government officials, ministers and all varieties of the so called "representatives of people") sitting on top of a 100-crore population. The machinery consists of Indians themselves, so the 10% rule is applicable to them too. However, it is comparatively easy to regulate the machinery itself, as the people in the machinery would consist of not more than may be 5% (?) of India's population, and the whole system is bound to hierarchies of control.

Now you may ask - The MPs and MLAs and ministers don't come from vacuum; We the people only are electing them. Then aren't we back to square one? Is it that India is not yet prepared to follow Democracy? - I have no answers.

I am dragging Karunakaran here because he is one of the most perfect symbols of India's rotten politics. If Indian Politics were supposed to have a flag of its own, we can keep Karunakaran's smiling face at the center of the flag like the Ashoka Chakra.

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Re: Doing it the right way ourselves!
[info]mallu
2007-12-27 10:44 am UTC (link)
In US, you can always ask for a paper bag and if they have one they will give it to you. Else do what I do ... carry the stuff in your hand if possible.

In India, I do the same, avoid plastic bags as much as possible.

Since coming back, I have found another solution to the plastic bag problem. Use the bags as trash bags for dumping. At least the bags are collected and sorted out at the dump instead of littering the streets.

Again avoidance is good but not always feasible. Ratheesh's idea of using mass transit whenever possible is definitely a positive step and I commend his strength of character in not buying a car till date.

But look what tata's are offereing -- the Rs 1 lakh car -- a nightmare on Indian streets. Wait and watch.

Btw, it seems picking items from a library and not returning could soon affect your credit ratings. And the Queens Library is planning to do so, means it is really not the desis who are defaulting.

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check out
(Anonymous)
2007-12-27 03:20 am UTC (link)
When you visit bayarea next time, don't forget to visit Martin Luther King san jose public library in the downtown. It has 8 stories with 475000 sq ft and a collection of more than 1.5 Million items. Facts of this library are here http://www.sjlibrary.org/about/locations/king/fastfacts.htm

I think the major difference between India and US is how the tax dollars are used or ( wasted in case of India) to provide public infrastructure in terms of roads, electricity, water, library, airport.

Hype around India becoming the next big power is very shallow created by media and self important indians without knowing what it takes to reach there. It is so unfortunate that some of the best educated indians also believe in this hype.
As shown by comments, some are not even ready to accept healthy criticism and happy to live in their dreams.

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Re: check out
[info]ratheesh
2007-12-27 01:10 pm UTC (link)
Thanks for the recommendation.

Kalam's "Developed India by 2020" vision is a beautiful dream; But will we reach there? May be the Sensex would cross 50K or we would have more SEZs and fly-overs, but we will still have more litter and polluted rivers and earth.

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Re: check out
(Anonymous)
2007-12-27 03:37 pm UTC (link)
would like to add something about the fake american accent - i too always found it unbearable..and was surprised to find a very respectable person doing the same in the US..but he explained - that is just for the sake of americans to understand it fast. so that he could avoid repeting it..guess many indians do that and find it difficult to come back to our clear indian-english later?
dp

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Re: check out
[info]ratheesh
2007-12-27 03:48 pm UTC (link)
I have heard people talking to Americans about Bollywood actresses, naming them like Kazheena Kappho, Zhani Mukhajji etc. I am used to it now :)

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Re: check out
(Anonymous)
2007-12-28 08:50 am UTC (link)
Is the accent a person uses really that important ?

Why is it that folks start cribbing if RRI - Returned Resident Indian -- comes back and uses an accent.

Do the cribbers feel bad that they could not get the accent? Or worse that they did not get the chance to go abroad ?

Case of sour grapes eh ?!

Anyways, I dont buy the argument that people dont understand if you dont use accent. Most asians dont speak the accent and they do quite well. I also never tried to get the accent. Rather I thought it was quite hard to learn the accent and I do comment folks who were able to quickly master the accent.

Ullas

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Re: check out
(Anonymous)
2007-12-30 01:47 am UTC (link)
The accent is important... Some words if we dont pronounce the way americans do, they

never understand. This is from my experience. eg: the word 'respect'.

cribbing- its not cribbing. most of it sound like fake accent and many people have an

inborn intolerance to faking. eg: just check this out from the same

bloggerhttp://ratheesh.livejournal.com/288337.html
But one can always be positive and enjoy all the attention from being different!

cribbers and sour grapes - may be the grape-seeking are cribbers, but most of the

cribbers are not grape seeking.

Acquiring a new accent is always commentable. But fast learners can always fast

unlearn, atleast for the ARI(always resident indian:D) audience, most of them who find american accent difficult to follow.
And I had this RRI boss, who used this accent,

neither american, nor indian, and confused us. Guess that happens to many-they start

from here, and never reach there, and are lost midway.

dp

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Re: check out
[info]gopakumar_ce
2007-12-28 05:08 pm UTC (link)
Accent is a topic which people like to blow out of proportions. At the end of the day what is a language - it is primarily something that helps in communication (and later comes literature etc..). And it has to serve the purpose of communication well. If the person using the language sticks to his (wierd) principles of state-ism or caste-ism or nationalism or whatever ism and fails to communicate properly, then thats sad. I am not referring to just english here, this applies to any language. Dont we find people in north india making fun of the way that south indians speak hindi ? Isnt that a very common topic for comedy shows ? Dont we find malayalis making fun of how tamilians say "vaazha pazham" ? So, I would say that south indians _should_ try and speak hindi with an "accent" when speaking to a north indian. And similarly, tamilians should try and speak "vaazha pazham" as it is and not "vaala palam" when speaking to a mallu :-). Whereas a south indian speaking to a south indian can use his/her natural style of hindi because those who speak alike can understand stuff without needing an accent. And of course, tamilians can say "vaala palam" among themselves :-).

So, what I want to convey is that language is a means of communication - first and foremost. And we should do whatever it takes to be a good communicator, so much happens in our lives because of poor communication!

Gopa.

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Re: check out
[info]gopakumar_ce
2007-12-30 10:44 pm UTC (link)
I had scribbled something at this spot, donno what happened to it. The "summary" of my scribble was that language is something which unfortunately ends up as a cause for wars and riots when we forget that the primary and most important function of a language is to "communicate". With all due respect to the person who has written this, the terminology "indian-english" sounds just ridiculous to me. The motto behind speaking any language should be to speak it in such a fashion that the listener understands what we wanted to convey exactly the way we wanted to convey it. Whether you speak "indian-english" or "malayali-hindi" or "hindi-urdu" or any of the "xyz-abc" combinations, let us keep in mind not to mix patriotism or caste-ism or state-ism and communication!

Gopa.

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Accents ...
[info]spartacus_04
2008-02-20 07:29 am UTC (link)

I'm sorry to comment on what seems to be a closed discussion, but I felt compelled to add my 2 cents here.

In my opinion, there is nothing wrong with trying to acquire a new accent, provided it is done for the right reasons. However, if it is done merely to avoid sounding like someone fresh off the boat in a foreign country, or simply in order to sound "cool", then I'm not in favour of it. Consider this: America is not the only English speaking country outside of India. So, should someone who is capable of picking up accents quickly start speaking with a stiff upper lip as soon as he sets foot in England? Or, say "g'day mate" as our friends down under would if that's where destiny were to take him? Let's say there is someone who is indeed capable of switching accents at will. What accent would he be speaking in if he were in the simultaneous company of an American, a Brit and and Australian? In any case, what is this person's real accent?

Let's flip this around for a different view. What if an foreigner visiting India speaks to you in an affected Indian accent in an attempt to be understood? Wouldn't you think he was mocking you?

I think the most important thing is for Indians to learn to speak English correctly, accent notwithstanding. Native speakers of English will have no difficulty understanding you if your English is "correct" or "proper", with no literal translation of vernacular usages thrown in. India has, allegedly, the world's largest pool of English speaking people; I'd be interested to know what fraction of this pool would pass an elementary level test in the language.

Anyway, this has been a long comment; besides, my tummy rumbles if only to remind me that it's feeding time.

Ratheesh: I'm glad you got around to reading "Games Indians Play"; I hope all Indians do.

>>So we need a system to support this 10% and also to regulate the remaining 90%. And since Government=Power, what else but the government can provide this system?

The government may not be able to do too much here--they have far too many pressing problems to deal with. However, if more and more people start regulating themselves, then there will soon be a "critical mass" (excuse the management jargon, but I can't think of a better expression) of self regulated people, and the system will reach a "tipping point" whereupon the spread of the culture of self regulation will gather enough momentum to bring about a permanent change.


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